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Re: Induction recordings - what microphone should I get?
« Reply #15 on: April 12, 2014, 02:15:44 AM »

Zoom H2
Unfortunately my iPod is a later one (the earlier ones didn't have built in mics so needed an external one) and inserting a mic doesn't shut off the internal ones :( My cell phone only really makes phone calls.
Yeah, I used a minidisc recorder before too. The Zoom H2 records to an SD card so really easy to copy to the PC. Pop it in the card reader and copy and paste. Selection of formats too so no pesky conversions.
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Re: Induction recordings - what microphone should I get?
« Reply #16 on: April 12, 2014, 02:22:07 AM »

If you're planning on doing induction recordings on a regular basis (as opposed to a few one-offs), get a Sony PCM-M10.  The Sony PCM series of digital recorders have very good low noise preamps.
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=&sku=638597&gclid=CJ-wvY_U2b0CFY17fgodoz8A8g&Q=&is=REG&A=details
The M10 is about the size of a smartphone:
http://transom.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/SonyM10-Hand.jpg?9d7bd4
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Re: Induction recordings - what microphone should I get?
« Reply #17 on: April 12, 2014, 02:24:52 AM »

My last trip the space mountain induction was with done with a radioshack pickup and my Tascam DR-05
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Re: Induction recordings - what microphone should I get?
« Reply #18 on: April 12, 2014, 07:39:11 PM »

I second Tascam's stuff ... Same recorder I use....
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Re: Induction recordings - what microphone should I get?
« Reply #19 on: April 12, 2014, 09:08:56 PM »

Little to choose between the Tascam and the Zoom, Tascam would have bee my second choice. Both great bits of kit and similar prices. It was the size and shape of the Zoom H2 that settled it for me as it didn't "look" like a recorder  ;).
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Re: Induction recordings - what microphone should I get?
« Reply #20 on: July 14, 2014, 10:29:09 AM »

So it seems that Radio Shack isn't selling our good old telephone pickup mic, and instead is selling this:
http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=15694556
Looking up reviews of that mic, it picks up not only from the source, but surrounding noise too, completely defeating the purpose for us.

Where else can we find a good mic? I see this one online for cheap:
http://www.mcmelectronics.com/product/36-010
but has anyone tried it? I'm worried about the quality, but if the quality is the same (or better, which I'm not expecting) than this would be a good deal.
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Re: Induction recordings - what microphone should I get?
« Reply #21 on: July 14, 2014, 11:21:12 AM »

I haven't tried the MCM Electronics telephone pickup but I have tried ones that look very similar:
http://www.mousebits.com/smf/index.php?topic=8227.msg75678#msg75678
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Re: Induction recordings - what microphone should I get?
« Reply #22 on: July 14, 2014, 02:24:30 PM »

also possible that similar stores in the UK and Europe may be able to supply abroad. Unfortunately my source for them (Maplins) don't deliver outside the UK and Ireland. There are several available on Amazon.uk. May be worth asking the sellers if they can deliver to your area. Prices start around £2.00 UK. I've found no difference in quality in them at all - they either work or they don't (always a possibility with electrical stuff that you get a dud).
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Re: Induction recordings - what microphone should I get?
« Reply #23 on: July 14, 2014, 08:03:49 PM »

You could try using a parcel-forwarding service to order from Maplin with a UK shipping address and then have the service send it to you in the USA.  I just checked for reviews of Borderlinx and they are mostly negative :o.  I would definitely research any of the services listed in the article and its comments before using them. ;)
10 Parcel Forwarding Services for International Shoppers (so they can shop from Amazon/eBay/Walmart etc)
http://tech-vise.com/2013/04/01/10-parcel-forwarding-services-for-international-shoppers-so-they-can-shop-from-amazonebaywalmart-etc/
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Re: Induction recordings - what microphone should I get?
« Reply #24 on: July 14, 2014, 08:24:17 PM »

but have a browse on Amazon - if it can't be posted to your area (I'm presuming US) it should say so when you reach the page (and you can always try to buy and cancel if the warning doesn't come up - sometimes the warning comes up then). I know other fans in Europe have been able to buy them (I've had others asking where to get them but not from the US so no feedback there).
I don't know why Maplin stopped shipping abroad - they used to - stopped a couple of years ago.
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Re: Induction recordings - what microphone should I get?
« Reply #25 on: July 14, 2014, 08:54:45 PM »

Watch out for the telephone pickups that use the same part number as the good quality Electrovision pickup but are *not* made by Electrovision.  For example, this one for sale on the US ebay site:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/A171-Telephone-Pickup-Coil-/271387878805
This one looks like one of the lower quality pickups but it uses the Electrovision part number.  Coincindence or deceit? ::)
For comparison, the actual Electrovision telephone pickup:
https://www.electrovision.co.uk/homepage.aspx?prod=A171&idcode=010000100150
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Re: Induction recordings - what microphone should I get?
« Reply #26 on: July 15, 2014, 12:10:10 AM »

yes one must beware of a few things. With the reduction in the number of old fashioned phones, the modern pickups have a microphone facility to record both sides of the conversation now (as the mic and earpiece are so close together on new phones). The last one I bought I had to read the descriptions very carefully to avoid those. One wonders whether production of "our" mics will continue for much longer - stock up now!
I do have both of those mics and I haven't really noticed a difference between them quality wise. The one on eBay was the same as was sent to me in error (it's squatter than the other one) so they sent me the electrovision Eagle one free of charge. I may just have been fortunate of course.
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Re: Induction recordings - what microphone should I get?
« Reply #27 on: July 15, 2014, 12:33:33 AM »

One wonders whether production of "our" mics will continue for much longer - stock up now!
Or you learn to wind your own induction coils. ;)  I haven't tried replacing the mild steel core in a retail telephone pickup with a ferrite core to see if that improves the pickup's sensitivity.  The diameters of the available ferrite cores were all larger than the existing steel core.  I think most ferrite components are sintered so they can't be machined.  I.e., I couldn't simply put the ferrite rod in a lathe and turn it down to the proper diameter.
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Re: Induction recordings - what microphone should I get?
« Reply #28 on: July 15, 2014, 02:35:47 AM »

How wide is the core?
I've not taken one apart either but this site seems to do pretty narrow ones
http://www.fair-rite.com/newfair/ferrite_rod_ad.htm
Diameter from 0.5 mm (.020"), length from 2 mm (0.080")
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Re: Induction recordings - what microphone should I get?
« Reply #29 on: July 15, 2014, 03:53:06 AM »

I've opened both the Radio Shack and generic induction pickups to repair broken wires.  The pickup's connecting wire is stranded but it still breaks if it's flexed enough.  That usually happens right at the hole where the cable exits the pickup body.  There is a strain relief (i.e., a simple overhand knot in the cable) inside the pickup body to keep the cable from being outright pulled off the coil connections but there is no strain relief for the cable outside the pickup.  I used some RTV gasket maker compound to make an unattractive but effective strain relief at that spot and I haven't had a broken wire so far. 8)

Using dial calipers, I get a diameter of 0.191 in (4.85 mm) and a length of 0.54-0.55 in (~14 mm) for both the Radio Shack and generic induction pickup cores.  I see that site you linked to has medium permeability ferrite rods that are a little smaller in diameter, 0.175 in., and 60% longer, 0.875 in., than the steel cores.  A bit of paper or tape wrapped around those ferrite rods should make for a better fit.

I *assumed* the steel cores were made of mild steel based on their color and the price of the pickups.  It would be nice if the Radio Shack core turned out to be silicon steel because that material has a much higher magnetic permeability than mild steel and that's why the Radio Shack pickup has a stronger signal.
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