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Title: worth it to record with an iPhone? protection options?
Post by: drumguy1975 on October 12, 2014, 03:50:11 AM
Hey everyone,

We are going on our first family trip in 35 days.  This will be our first trip as a family with our two daughters, 3 and 1. We haven't been to WDW since Jan. 2011, so there's alot that has changed since then.  I'm not sure how much time I will have to actually record audio/video.

With all of that being said, if possible I would like to get some recordings if possible, but the only thing that I have to use is my iPhone. I'm not sure how well the audio will turn out and  I know that it might not be the best device, but its what I have. I may be taking some video or audio while on a ride, so I'm looking to secure my iPhone as much as possible.

I am wondering though, does anyone know of anything that I can get to have a more secure hold on my iPhone while I am on a ride?  Something like a camera strap or similar?
Title: Re: worth it to record with an iPhone? protection options?
Post by: Wizzard419 on October 12, 2014, 07:14:03 AM
I guess it kind of depends on your definition of "A lot", stuff has closed, the fantasyland update, ride update, a different parade and possibly a show, but overall it should be roughly the same content as your last visit. So I wouldn't worry as much about overall recording rather than just going to have fun.
Title: Re: worth it to record with an iPhone? protection options?
Post by: eyore on October 12, 2014, 02:46:14 PM
depends on what iPhone you have as to whether it has a space for a wrist strap or not.  How about this option :
http://www.amazon.com/Belkin-Dual-Fit-Armband-Apple-iPhone/dp/B003RFG87E (http://www.amazon.com/Belkin-Dual-Fit-Armband-Apple-iPhone/dp/B003RFG87E)
Title: Re: worth it to record with an iPhone? protection options?
Post by: witttiger93 on October 12, 2014, 03:14:22 PM
On my most recent trip I noticed a lot of people using these for family/group photos. I would think you could also use it retracted on some rides to give you a firm, two-handed grip.

http://www.amazon.com/Satechi%C2%AE-Bluetooth-Extension-Monopod-Telescoping/dp/B00MXC6OLM (http://www.amazon.com/Satechi%C2%AE-Bluetooth-Extension-Monopod-Telescoping/dp/B00MXC6OLM)

http://www.amazon.com/Opteka-X-ARM-Extender-Portrait-Handheld/dp/B0035H7W2E (http://www.amazon.com/Opteka-X-ARM-Extender-Portrait-Handheld/dp/B0035H7W2E)

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00J53T9WS/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_dp_ss_1?pf_rd_p=1944687502&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B0035H7W2E&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=1TNT4QH0DK7SK3220BQP (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00J53T9WS/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_dp_ss_1?pf_rd_p=1944687502&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B0035H7W2E&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=1TNT4QH0DK7SK3220BQP)
Title: Re: worth it to record with an iPhone? protection options?
Post by: pixelated on October 12, 2014, 05:06:25 PM
You might want to get an external microphone to get better sound quality.  As SirLamer, the Owner of MouseBits, pointed out in 2009:
the iPhone mic is design to suck the life out of sound so that the loudest thing it picks up overwhelms the recording.  This is ideal for a telephone as it is trying to pick up the user's voice and suppress background noise.

Of course, using it is fine for your own purposes, but a ride-through recording should really use a stereo mic at the very least.  Some people even make a headphones-like microphone designed for "binaural" recordings, which sort of sound sharper and more natural.
Some iPhone mics to choose from if you're interested:
http://www.sweetwater.com/c1060--iPad_iPhone_Microphones (http://www.sweetwater.com/c1060--iPad_iPhone_Microphones)
None of them are inexpensive because Sweetwater does not carry low-quality merchandise, but as the saying goes, "you get what you pay for". 8)
Title: Re: worth it to record with an iPhone? protection options?
Post by: Wizzard419 on October 12, 2014, 06:16:05 PM
Though that also is a 2009 review of a product that has changed 5-6 (7 if you count the C) times since posting. ;D
Title: Re: worth it to record with an iPhone? protection options?
Post by: pixelated on October 12, 2014, 07:59:09 PM
True, but I don't expect Apple got rid of the iPhone's noise cancellation tech since then. ;)
 The tech media would have been on that "upgrade" in a jiffy.
Title: Re: worth it to record with an iPhone? protection options?
Post by: Wizzard419 on October 12, 2014, 09:07:30 PM
Considering that voice recording functionality was not standard on the iPhone until (if I recall) the 4S, it may very well have. Throw in that tweaks to existing features do not make reporters/bloggers damp nor generate clicks compared to new features and you could see how easily changes would go unnoticed.
Title: Re: worth it to record with an iPhone? protection options?
Post by: pixelated on October 12, 2014, 11:06:37 PM
Wasn't noise cancellation a feature of the first iPhone's mic?  I remember clearer phone calls as compared to other cellphones was an advertised feature of the iPhone 1.
Title: Re: worth it to record with an iPhone? protection options?
Post by: Wizzard419 on October 12, 2014, 11:37:44 PM
I think noise cancellation was added a few generations later, you don't need better algorithms in your phone to beat out a feature phone when better hardware is an option.
Title: Re: worth it to record with an iPhone? protection options?
Post by: eyore on October 13, 2014, 12:23:30 AM
if it now uses the same tech as the ipod, it makes a reasonable recording for IDing purposes. I found I used my iPod more that the Zoom on the last few visits (CMs take no notice of phones/iPods it seems)
Title: Re: worth it to record with an iPhone? protection options?
Post by: Wizzard419 on October 13, 2014, 12:57:00 AM
It likely uses improved tech considering the last iPod touch model was created in 2012 and the only updates have been the storage size and camera.
Title: Re: worth it to record with an iPhone? protection options?
Post by: pixelated on October 13, 2014, 01:38:30 AM
Take this review with a grain of Internet salt but then you do get actual sound samples:
Best iPhone external mic!
Best iPhone external mic! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVBvVQKiV8A#ws)
Title: Re: worth it to record with an iPhone? protection options?
Post by: eyore on October 13, 2014, 01:53:44 AM
can't comment on external mics as Apple, in their wisdom (!), decided to do away with the external mic turning off the internal ones with later iPod touch models. A backward step in my view.
Title: Re: worth it to record with an iPhone? protection options?
Post by: Wizzard419 on October 13, 2014, 02:15:26 AM
That likely was due to consumers realizing that you could have all the functionality of an iPhone without having to buy one. As long as there is Skype and a large quantity of free wifi, there is no reason to use networks. :D
Title: Re: worth it to record with an iPhone? protection options?
Post by: eyore on October 13, 2014, 02:45:10 AM
That did figure into why I bought one  ;)
Title: Re: worth it to record with an iPhone? protection options?
Post by: Wizzard419 on October 13, 2014, 03:27:21 AM
Arguably, with the spread of wifi for public use, if you can get a cell signal you can get wifi. So they probably wanted to put a pin in that as soon as possible... or just raise the profit margin.
Title: Re: worth it to record with an iPhone? protection options?
Post by: pixelated on October 14, 2014, 10:16:19 PM
Those extensions with a wrist strap look like they could become a hazard if you use it inside a ride, especially a fast-moving one.  The iPhone could get snagged on part of the scenery as you go by and if your hand is in the wrist strap... :o
Title: Re: worth it to record with an iPhone? protection options?
Post by: eyore on October 15, 2014, 12:17:05 AM
"please keep your hands and arms..................."   
They've moaned at me for just having a video camera slightly outside the carriage on the Railroad.
Title: Re: worth it to record with an iPhone? protection options?
Post by: Wizzard419 on October 15, 2014, 05:59:11 AM
Those extensions with a wrist strap look like they could become a hazard if you use it inside a ride, especially a fast-moving one.  The iPhone could get snagged on part of the scenery as you go by and if your hand is in the wrist strap... :o

Why would you want a strap-on for the ride?

Though, going back to the original response, is there anything new to record that hasn't been recorded countless times already?
Title: Re: worth it to record with an iPhone? protection options?
Post by: pixelated on October 15, 2014, 11:27:14 AM
Why would you want a strap-on for the ride?
So you don't lose the iThingy over the side? ;D

Quote
Though, going back to the original response, is there anything new to record that hasn't been recorded countless times already?
Just off the top of my head:
Gaston's Tavern
Maurice's Cottage (Enchanted Tales with Belle queue)
Under the Sea ~ Journey of The Little Mermaid queue
Goofy's Barnstormer queue
Dumbo exterior (assuming it's changed since NFL opened) and waiting area interior

Not new but I don't remember having seen *complete* reference recordings of these publicly shared:
Magic Kingdom
WDW Railroad complete ridethrough
Haunted Mansion exterior SFX

Epcot
Living with the Land load/unload area
Mexico Pavilion exterior and interior
Test Track 2.0 exterior and interior

Disney's Animal Kingdom
Asia
Africa
Mombasa Marketplace
Pizzafari interior
Chester & Hester's Dino-Rama
Discovery Island Trails
The Boneyard
Wildlife Express - both stations

Disney's Hollywood Studios
Echo Lake
Star Tours exterior
Animation Courtyard
Hollywood Blvd.
Toy Story Midway Mania!
Title: Re: worth it to record with an iPhone? protection options?
Post by: eyore on October 15, 2014, 02:00:30 PM
I'd really have to say that holding anything outside the confines of the ride vehicle is pretty silly anyway and asking for either an accident or to be escorted off the ride. The wrist strap is fine (leaves the hands free to hold on or video or whatever) but extending poles is above and beyond. There's a big difference between a wrist strap or loop for an iphone in case you drop it (most of us have one on our cameras anyway and I fixed one onto my Zoom H2 for that very reason - it doesn't have a dedicated hole for one so I fixed it to the silicon cover) and fastening it something else.
Title: Re: worth it to record with an iPhone? protection options?
Post by: pixelated on October 15, 2014, 05:45:49 PM
You could use a breakaway wrist lanyard instead, like this one:
http://www.amazon.com/Chums-Safety-82047105-Breakaway-Lanyard/dp/B00BC3LWHY (http://www.amazon.com/Chums-Safety-82047105-Breakaway-Lanyard/dp/B00BC3LWHY)
Title: Re: worth it to record with an iPhone? protection options?
Post by: eyore on October 15, 2014, 06:37:39 PM
mind you, the OP was (I think) asking "is there a simple wrist strap that fit's an iPhone" and, generally, iPhones don't have anywhere to attach one to.
http://www.148apps.com/news/add-lanyard-wrist-strap-apple-iphone-leather-case-mophie-juice-pack/ (http://www.148apps.com/news/add-lanyard-wrist-strap-apple-iphone-leather-case-mophie-juice-pack/)

not for the faint-hearted though. it involves drilling two holes in the phone casing ;)
Title: Re: worth it to record with an iPhone? protection options?
Post by: pixelated on October 15, 2014, 06:47:55 PM
This strap fits the iPhone 5 series.  Replace the supplied wrist strap with a breakaway version to improve on it.
http://photojojo.com/store/awesomeness/iphone-wrist-strap/ (http://photojojo.com/store/awesomeness/iphone-wrist-strap/)
Title: Re: worth it to record with an iPhone? protection options?
Post by: eyore on October 15, 2014, 08:35:07 PM
I did ask which model we were talking about but I don't think we heard. I would presume that it won't be a 5 series as a quick Google would have shown that straps are available for those.

"I am wondering though, does anyone know of anything that I can get to have a more secure hold on my iPhone while I am on a ride?  Something like a camera strap or similar?"

It seems to be a popular question to ask on the Apple forums and complaints that they won't make one because they make too much money from replacing broken screens.  ;)
This still looks the best option to me
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Protective-Running-Cycling-Jogging-Generation/dp/B00L8SMKYM/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1413398016&sr=8-9&keywords=iphone+4+wrist+strap (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Protective-Running-Cycling-Jogging-Generation/dp/B00L8SMKYM/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1413398016&sr=8-9&keywords=iphone+4+wrist+strap)

Title: Re: worth it to record with an iPhone? protection options?
Post by: pixelated on October 15, 2014, 09:06:46 PM
Those kinds of holders are very handy when listening to music on the go but not so good for recording it live. :D  Without an external mic, the sound is going to be muffled and it might have some handling noise as well.

Here's an interesting option for an iPhone 4:
Iphone 4/4s Cases with Duo Hand and Neck Straps
http://www.amazon.com/Iphone-Cases-Hand-Neck-Straps/dp/B00AVDZGVY (http://www.amazon.com/Iphone-Cases-Hand-Neck-Straps/dp/B00AVDZGVY)
Title: Re: worth it to record with an iPhone? protection options?
Post by: eyore on October 16, 2014, 12:11:18 AM
yes, not the ideal way to record but I found for ID purposes, my iPod coped well (it's in a leather case and has survived several drops). I did find the silicon cover prevented hand noise on the Zoom though as well as providing the anchor for a wrist strap. As I've said before, my iPod doesn't have a mute connecting externals which was a great shame (previous versions did).
Title: Re: worth it to record with an iPhone? protection options?
Post by: Wizzard419 on October 16, 2014, 04:49:58 AM
Why would you want a strap-on for the ride?
So you don't lose the iThingy over the side? ;D

Quote
Though, going back to the original response, is there anything new to record that hasn't been recorded countless times already?
Just off the top of my head:
Gaston's Tavern
Maurice's Cottage (Enchanted Tales with Belle queue)
Under the Sea ~ Journey of The Little Mermaid queue
Goofy's Barnstormer queue
Dumbo exterior (assuming it's changed since NFL opened) and waiting area interior

Not new but I don't remember having seen *complete* reference recordings of these publicly shared:
Magic Kingdom
WDW Railroad complete ridethrough
Haunted Mansion exterior SFX

Epcot
Living with the Land load/unload area
Mexico Pavilion exterior and interior
Test Track 2.0 exterior and interior

Disney's Animal Kingdom
Asia
Africa
Mombasa Marketplace
Pizzafari interior
Chester & Hester's Dino-Rama
Discovery Island Trails
The Boneyard
Wildlife Express - both stations

Disney's Hollywood Studios
Echo Lake
Star Tours exterior
Animation Courtyard
Hollywood Blvd.
Toy Story Midway Mania!


Some of those have been recorded I think, but how many of those things were created after his last visit? ;D Throw in modern design using speakers that you can't reach with speakers.
Title: Re: worth it to record with an iPhone? protection options?
Post by: pixelated on October 16, 2014, 05:27:48 AM
For the OP, everything in Storybook Circus/New Fantasyland will be new.  That's a fair number of loops.
Title: Re: worth it to record with an iPhone? protection options?
Post by: Wizzard419 on October 16, 2014, 07:45:15 AM
That isn't that many, and they are a few years old so presumably (more like probably) people have captured them but elected to not share. :D
Title: Re: worth it to record with an iPhone? protection options?
Post by: pixelated on October 16, 2014, 09:10:00 AM
Yep, those effectively don't exist so might as well make new recordings. 8)
Title: Re: worth it to record with an iPhone? protection options?
Post by: drumguy1975 on October 26, 2014, 09:13:42 PM
Hey everyone,

Thanks so much for all of the replies!  I'm a bit slow with my responding, but I finally got a chance to read through all of the helpful responses.  I forgot to mention that I have an iPhone 6.

I do realized that most of what is at WDW is probably readily available here at MouseBits, but I thought that I might try to record some stuff, knowing that it probably won't be for anything other than my own pleasure.  I'm thinking stuff like, bus audio, maybe a ride through of something, voices of liberty, dapper dans, etc.   I'm not going to have time to record any loops, as my 3 and 1 year old will take priority.  Combine that with not wanting to spend ridiculous amounts on money on extra equipment and for right now, I'll record as it comes along, but probably won't be making a huge effort to go out of my way for anything.

That being said, I did see that someone earlier posted some links to various monopods, etc.  This had interested me as I thought by putting my iPhone on one of those and extending it, I could get a better viewpoint to record video of my daughters on their new adventures at Disney.  I figure that would be easier that constantly trying to stay in front of them.  Something like this:  http://www.amazon.com/iStabilizer-ISTMP01-Extendable-Smartphone-Monopod/dp/B008BSCWXQ/ref=cm_cd_ql_qh_dp_t (http://www.amazon.com/iStabilizer-ISTMP01-Extendable-Smartphone-Monopod/dp/B008BSCWXQ/ref=cm_cd_ql_qh_dp_t)

I'm still trying to figure out what to get, so suggestions are still being accepted.  :)
Title: Re: worth it to record with an iPhone? protection options?
Post by: pixelated on October 27, 2014, 12:59:31 AM
Finally... someone has incorporated a wired (vs. Bluetooth) remote shutter release into a telescoping extension:
Extend-n-Click iPhone extension monopod
http://www.iphonemonopod.com/ (http://www.iphonemonopod.com/)
Title: Re: worth it to record with an iPhone? protection options?
Post by: eyore on October 27, 2014, 02:29:10 AM
Brilliant. Shame it only fits iPhone 5/5s models though :(
Title: Re: worth it to record with an iPhone? protection options?
Post by: Wizzard419 on October 27, 2014, 02:56:11 AM
That might actually fit current generation as well (though 6+ would be unlikely), they probably haven't updated the page.
Title: Re: worth it to record with an iPhone? protection options?
Post by: eyore on October 27, 2014, 03:11:46 AM
ah, but no mention of iPods though :(
Title: Re: worth it to record with an iPhone? protection options?
Post by: pixelated on October 27, 2014, 03:40:37 AM
You might be able to MacGyver something to accomodate an iPhone 6 or iPod with large binder clips:
http://www.amazon.com/ACCO-Binder-Clips-Large-A7072100B/dp/B002VD6BLG (http://www.amazon.com/ACCO-Binder-Clips-Large-A7072100B/dp/B002VD6BLG)
or adhesive backed hook-and-loop (aka Velcro) fasteners:
http://www.amazon.com/Velcro-Products-Sticky-Back-Press-application/dp/B004E2RCR4 (http://www.amazon.com/Velcro-Products-Sticky-Back-Press-application/dp/B004E2RCR4)
or a couple of good 'ol big rubber bands. :)
Title: Re: worth it to record with an iPhone? protection options?
Post by: Wizzard419 on October 27, 2014, 05:39:51 AM
ah, but no mention of iPods though :(

If I recall, the last time Apple touched the ipod touch was before the 5, which has a different body shape, at the same time you probably wouldn't be able to get that device past security without raising several questions. :D

"Oh so you want to record in our bathrooms?"
Title: Re: worth it to record with an iPhone? protection options?
Post by: pixelated on October 27, 2014, 07:32:08 AM
You mean you can't get the extension thingies past security?  I started seeing them in the Parks a couple of years ago with a few gizmo-heads using them and now a good number of people are walking around with them.  Another instance of "human see, human do". ;D
At least smartphones are smaller than tablets so people shooting videos on their phones are less annoying than tablet users during shows and parades. ::)
Title: Re: worth it to record with an iPhone? protection options?
Post by: eyore on October 27, 2014, 01:55:23 PM


"Oh so you want to record in our bathrooms?"

Answer: No I want to see the parade as I'm short  ;D
Title: Re: worth it to record with an iPhone? protection options?
Post by: drumguy1975 on October 28, 2014, 02:35:38 AM
That might actually fit current generation as well (though 6+ would be unlikely), they probably haven't updated the page.

I actually emailed him and he said that they are working on it and that it should be ready by Christmas.  Unfortunately, that doesn't do my trip in 19 days much good.
Title: Re: worth it to record with an iPhone? protection options?
Post by: eyore on October 28, 2014, 02:53:05 AM
no, but think how much fun you'll have next trip and, for this trip, make notes of where it would have been ideal (and write them down, from experience I know you'll forget ;)   )
Title: Re: worth it to record with an iPhone? protection options?
Post by: pixelated on October 28, 2014, 03:21:25 AM
How about this extension?  It works with small cameras, GoPros and smartphones.  And it's cheaper than that iStabilizer extension.  It seems that many things that start with a lowercase 'i' automatically cost more. :P
Mudder 39 Inch 3-Way Telescopic Handheld Monopod
http://www.amazon.com/Mudder-Telescopic-Handheld-Self-portrait-Smartphone/dp/B00ME7WH6M/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1414462093&sr=8-5&keywords=x-shot+extender (http://www.amazon.com/Mudder-Telescopic-Handheld-Self-portrait-Smartphone/dp/B00ME7WH6M/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1414462093&sr=8-5&keywords=x-shot+extender)
Title: Re: worth it to record with an iPhone? protection options?
Post by: eyore on October 28, 2014, 02:17:47 PM
that doesn't  have any way of controlling anything. I bought an extender which is great with the self timer on an ordinary camera but not so good for videos without editing the bits where it gets lifted and brought back down again.  I daresay I could easily make a holder for the iPod to attach it to it. Self timers don't really capture that "special" shot though.
Title: Re: worth it to record with an iPhone? protection options?
Post by: pixelated on October 28, 2014, 04:59:01 PM
That Extend-n-Click seems to be the only extension with a built-in shutter control.  For the other extensions, you can use a wireless remote like this one:
Muku Shuttr - Selfie Remote / Camera Shutter for iPhone, iPad, Samsung, LG, Android and Nexus
http://www.amazon.com/Muku-Shuttr-Shutter-Frustration-Packaging/dp/B00JK5OW8C (http://www.amazon.com/Muku-Shuttr-Shutter-Frustration-Packaging/dp/B00JK5OW8C)
Title: Re: worth it to record with an iPhone? protection options?
Post by: eyore on October 28, 2014, 07:23:51 PM
tempting, very  tempting - actually says it works with iPod touch (and I know the bluetooth works on my iPod as a have a Bluetooth player). Around £20 here - cost of 2 DVDs or 2 packs of cigarettes. As I find lifting my arms up difficult now and the cameras feel heavier, that's a definite possibility.
Title: Re: worth it to record with an iPhone? protection options?
Post by: pixelated on October 29, 2014, 03:35:49 AM
One of the answers to a question ("Will this work with third party apps such as Camera for iPad?') is:
"It works with camera apps that support the volume up switch as a shutter. When you press the Muku shutter it operates the iPhone's or iPad's volume up switch."

You should be able to test that functionality on your iPod before you order the remote. ;)